Thoughts on vessel?

jenjbboutique said:
The gleam team are split. Tanya, Marcus and Casper are in. Zoe has said no I doubt Louise would do it. Tyler Oakley has tweeted saying he doesn't want to give unfair advantages or something along those lines x
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Oh didn't expect anyone except Louise to not do it, I like that they declined
 
Here's the thing. Right now, it's cost and time prohibitive for YouTubers to make really high production value content. You are rewarded more for quantity in a lot of cases rather than quality. If a video is going to cost you $200 to make, but you'll only make $100 in return, you won't put the time and effort into more than once or twice until you know that model just doesn't work.

If a platform exists that allows you to pay gate that content at a higher CPM rate for a few days, and then release it to the public as well, it could make doing a higher production value piece of content.

Is that true in every case? Probably not, but I'd take Vessel on a case by case basis myself before writing it off as a sellout move. Selling out is compromising your principles or reputation. Delaying "freeloader" content by a few days doesn't seem to me to fit that definition.

In fact, there are already YouTubers doing this. Twitch streamers often allow for VOD viewing on Twitch to subscribers only prior to the content being available on YouTube.
 
jenjbboutique said:
Sorry. The basics is there is a platform called vesell that allows "fans"/subscribers to watch their videos 72 hours before everyone else can on youtube. But vesell charges the viewer for the privilege of watching early. It has come to light that the youtuber will make about $50 per 1000 views and 75% of the ad revenue.

It's basically another way to make money which I don't begrudge the big youtubers for but what I don't understand is why they would do it when a lot of the fans are teenagers who can't afford to unless they have wealthy parents. Surely it's going to cause a class division?
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$2.99 a month, people can afford it.
Videos must be on Vessel for at least 72 hours before going to other content providers. During that window, the creator does get ads that are up to $50 CPM. The creator gets a 70/30 rev share. After the priority window, CPM's go back to normal.
 
I just realized why you chose the channel name racegrooves... Totally random and unrelated revelation. I think I need a holiday.
 
Ohhh I know it's only a small amount and I didn't once use the words sell out. I was genuinely interested in people's views. My main concern is that the main people talking about it on Twitter are 12/13 that will have to have parents pay for their subscription. Some parents will some parents won't therefore will cause a divide which I see as unncessary. Plus the people I am talking most definitely don't spend the money quoted above producing their videos. Interesting to hear other people's views.
 
jenjbboutique said:
...parents pay for their subscription. Some parents will some parents won't therefore will cause a divide which I see as unncessary.
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This is an important situation to consider for the creators. If somebody does daily or scheduled content on YouTube, I would not be putting that on Vessel because you would be disrespecting your faithful following.

Now if you had a special video, that would make sense. Viewers who want special content or who want to support the creator can support them on Vessel.
 
I've got a Vessel subscription. I only did it to get an advantage and claim my username and comment. Their layout freaking sucks and it's hard to navigate.

IMO.. You'll never see YouTube's poster children turn against them... aka everyone who has been featured in their big marketing campaigns: Tyler Oakley, Zoe, Bethany Mota, Michelle Phan, Ryan Higa, Vice News. If you're a BIG creator who hasn't been acknowledged by YouTube why the hell wouldn't you go for the $50 CPMs? The fans will be loyal to the creators.. they're still putting out content it's not like they've stopped or changed the quality, they just get it a little bit later than everyone else (which is totally unnoticeable).

Being in marketing/advertising I've been watching Vessel since they announced the service and they've done a pretty good job to get in front of audiences and pull big creators in. Playlist Live's biggest stage was the 'Vessel' Stage, it was promoted on Twitter.. I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't see the same thing happen at VidCon. Vessel is a pimple on YouTube though.. YouTube has Google, it's the 3rd biggest website in the world and the minimal traffic that's being pulled away from it isn't going to impact them at all. Vessel is basically Hulu or Netflix and doesn't compete in the same realm as the Tubes.
 
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