Tags experiment

XXLRay said:
Staff from the algorithm team told so in an unlisted hangout on air in the German #TrauDirWasZu community.
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So the less tags and less repetition the better? So like either 1-6 tags max at most and non repeating tags/keywords?
 
Yeah we seriously need a detailed guide with citations as to why its correct and not simply conjecture.

I used to not do repeated words much in tags until most people here previously told me otherwise and now I repeat phrases a ton in compound tags.
For example if I'm reviewing "Steven Universe", a lot of my compound tags will be preceded by "steven universe" (example "steven universe garnet pearl fuse", "steven universe best song", etc), and thus I use the name of the show 5 - 10 times as part of longer tags. Is this actually detrimental?

By the way, does changing the order of words in a compound tag (switching the first and last word as one example) actually do anything?
 
just Moto said:
Good luck with that one.
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I know right?

But really how nice would it be to have a guide that is backed up by actual citations to how algorithms function and citations to real statistics as opposed to just conjecture from somebody who has been successful?

Don't worry - I'm not holding my breathe.
 
Uncivilized Elk said:
I know right?

But really how nice would it be to have a guide that is backed up by actual citations to how algorithms function and citations to real statistics as opposed to just conjecture from somebody who has been successful?

Don't worry - I'm not holding my breathe.
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The problem with that is everyone would put it in place rendering it useless :P
 
Uncivilized Elk said:
Yeah we seriously need a detailed guide with citations as to why its correct and not simply conjecture.

I used to not do repeated words much in tags until most people here previously told me otherwise and now I repeat phrases a ton in compound tags.
For example if I'm reviewing "Steven Universe", a lot of my compound tags will be preceded by "steven universe" (example "steven universe garnet pearl fuse", "steven universe best song", etc), and thus I use the name of the show 5 - 10 times as part of longer tags. Is this actually detrimental?

By the way, does changing the order of words in a compound tag (switching the first and last word as one example) actually do anything?
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As to why WHATS correct? Is it better to have little tags like 1-6 tags the most with all different tags like music, video, audio, lyrics, hd, or better to fill out the entire tag box with a repetition and variety and compounds of the same keywords like music, music video, music video hd, music video 2015, music videos, etc etc. ?
 
Msd said:
So like either 1-6 tags max at most and non repeating tags/keywords?
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1-6 is not what staff said.

SabrinaKom said:
Could you link me to it?
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I'll need to dig deep to find it again. I left it in a comment on one of @Tim Schmoyer's videos. Let me see if I find the time.[DOUBLEPOST=1439968888,1439962856][/DOUBLEPOST]I can't believe I found it (tag statement at 10:39):


Rough translation (it was a bit informally spoken):

It's a thin line with tags between using too many tags and too few tags.
That means if you use too many then it may be that you have some tags that fit your video very well which would allow to find the video really well.
For example you make a gaming video for a certain game and you take the name of this game Call Of Duty for example and add it.
But you also add 30 or 40 other words then then importance of this single word is not as high any more in this mass of search terms you use.
On the other hand you could use just five terms and thus miss important searches because this are not included in your tags.
So what we tell is a good number to aim for are about twenty terms that you should use and half of it should be specific terms with which this specific video can be found.
So something that you treat in that video.
To come back to the gaming example about which level, which map which speciality does this video have so that you can really have a targeted search for it.
And the other half of the terms should be common terms that fit your channel probably also the format that you keep re-using for a longer time.
So that the system remembers that this channel produces content about gaming.
When I show videos from this channel in search results and people clicked on them often then this seems to be a good channel for the term gaming.
So I will show it better in future.
So try to create yourself a set of terms that you constantly re-use.
You can check in Analytics if this works.
That's at Traffic Sources -> Search
But also think about some that only fit this particular video.
 
XXLRay said:
1-6 is not what staff said.


I'll need to dig deep to find it again. I left it in a comment on one of @Tim Schmoyer's videos. Let me see if I find the time.[DOUBLEPOST=1439968888,1439962856][/DOUBLEPOST]I can't believe I found it (tag statement at 10:39):


Rough translation (it was a bit informally spoken):

It's a thin line with tags between using too many tags and too few tags.
That means if you use too many then it may be that you have some tags that fit your video very well which would allow to find the video really well.
For example you make a gaming video for a certain game and you take the name of this game Call Of Duty for example and add it.
But you also add 30 or 40 other words then then importance of this single word is not as high any more in this mass of search terms you use.
On the other hand you could use just five terms and thus miss important searches because this are not included in your tags.
So what we tell is a good number to aim for are about twenty terms that you should use and half of it should be specific terms with which this specific video can be found.
So something that you treat in that video.
To come back to the gaming example about which level, which map which speciality does this video have so that you can really have a targeted search for it.
And the other half of the terms should be common terms that fit your channel probably also the format that you keep re-using for a longer time.
So that the system remembers that this channel produces content about gaming.
When I show videos from this channel in search results and people clicked on them often then this seems to be a good channel for the term gaming.
So I will show it better in future.
So try to create yourself a set of terms that you constantly re-use.
You can check in Analytics if this works.
That's at Traffic Sources -> Search
But also think about some that only fit this particular video.
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What did staff say then?
Can you just sum it up?
 
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