Everyone making threads about channel growth?

[Philip Zeplin]

I don't think you quite understand what I'm saying. I've read your posts, multiple times over, and it's basically telling everyone that they're wrong. Don't get me wrong, I think what you have done is convenient, but I wouldn't pay for it. I definitely wouldn't pay for something by someone who looks down on good people on these forums. This place is to share advice and grow together in a good community. Not make everyone feel bad about what they've accomplished and then tell them they have to pay to get better results.

I'm not looking down on anyone, and I'm certainly sorry if it came off like that. I did specifically mention the joys I got when I originally started my channel, to show that. But whether it comes down to good intentions or not, bad advice is still bad advice.

It seems like you just really detest that I dare sell an online course in something? I mean, you mention it twice here, and then again here:

I optimize my videos the way I have learned, and I enjoy doing what I've done. I know what SEO is and I'm nowhere near an expert at it, my channel is only a little over 2 weeks old. I'm not saying SEO in general is not worth it, I know it's how you get your content out there. I would just rather learn it my own way and make progress without having to pay for it.

And that's just fine. No one is forcing you to pay for anything. But looking back, knowing what I know now, if I had implemented the techniques way back on my old channel, that would have been huge by now, and saved me tons of time (and money) over the years!

But again, you're the one even bringing the course into this discussion, and at the same time ignoring my (obviously) free thread I created here, on SEO, months back. Just seems you're really focused on not paying anyone for anything for any reason - even if it doesn't actually relate to the topic.

People on here have given great advice in terms of a small channel, and I think it's respectable that everyone is trying to help others out without taking advantage of anyone. We're all experimenting with what works and enjoying it as a community. Yes, some of it isn't the best advice, I can agree to that, but you don't have to constantly tell the people of these forums in such a condescending way. It seems a little disrespectful. I don't know if you are intentionally doing it, or it's just coming off that way. It definitely deters people from your product, though. Just a little advice.

Again, I certainly don't try to come off as an a**. If I did, that would certainly be a weird marketing tactic! In fact, I try to do the opposite: if you look at my posts on this forum, I continually point out the good things, if I also comment on the negative.
I also don't believe that I have, ever, on this forum, given negative feedback to someone, without providing insight into how it could have been done better. Constructive criticism. Yes, it's still criticism, but if you can't handle that, maybe a social platform like YouTube isn't for you?

But no, I don't believe in lying to someone, just to make them feel better, certainly not when it comes to advice. If someone is posting wrongful information, I'll call them out on it. If someone posts bad advice, I'll ask them to back it up with something. If more people did that here, I'm sure it would do wonders for the channels that come here for information!
I'm not saying that people posting this advice are bad people, or anything of the sort. In fact, I've repeatedly said that I think it's great that people share advice! But again, people should just be a little more careful about the advice they post.

But again, you mention the Rankify course (in some form or other) 5 times in this post, when it really has nothing at all to do with the discussion. Heck, I don't even get why it seems you're specifically angry at me, but none of the other people in this thread who basically said the same thing as myself.[DOUBLEPOST=1376887228,1376886856][/DOUBLEPOST]

I think shes talking about the small aspects of it all and we're taking it literally in the big picture.

Well, unless someone comes in here and says "Hey guys, I need some advice on how to spend my 10k advertising budget this month", we haven't even scratched the "big picture"

But I do get what you're saying And of course, you can't expect small new start-up channels to function the same way large channels do!
Or, perhaps, some people don't realize just how small they (and the vast majority, me included, channel wise) are in said big picture. Or maybe I just can't get back to viewing it in the small picture (is that even a thing you can say?) - been on YouTube since 2007, and I'm vastly more "in" how things work now, than I was back then.
I do remember how excited I was about very few views back then - pretty sure I could keep count on if a video even went up 1 view in a period! These days, a video can go up 1000 views, and I wouldn't notice. Then again, I'm sure people like SxePhil see videos go up 30.000, and don't notice

So yeah, it's matter of perspective I guess

 

[KittyTekKnow]

I'm not looking down on anyone, and I'm certainly sorry if it came off like that. I did specifically mention the joys I got when I originally started my channel, to show that. But whether it comes down to good intentions or not, bad advice is still bad advice.

It seems like you just really detest that I dare sell an online course in something? I mean, you mention it twice here, and then again here:



And that's just fine. No one is forcing you to pay for anything. But looking back, knowing what I know now, if I had implemented the techniques way back on my old channel, that would have been huge by now, and saved me tons of time (and money) over the years!

But again, you're the one even bringing the course into this discussion, and at the same time ignoring my (obviously) free thread I created here, on SEO, months back. Just seems you're really focused on not paying anyone for anything for any reason - even if it doesn't actually relate to the topic.



Again, I certainly don't try to come off as an a**. If I did, that would certainly be a weird marketing tactic! In fact, I try to do the opposite: if you look at my posts on this forum, I continually point out the good things, if I also comment on the negative.
I also don't believe that I have, ever, on this forum, given negative feedback to someone, without providing insight into how it could have been done better. Constructive criticism. Yes, it's still criticism, but if you can't handle that, maybe a social platform like YouTube isn't for you?

But no, I don't believe in lying to someone, just to make them feel better, certainly not when it comes to advice. If someone is posting wrongful information, I'll call them out on it. If someone posts bad advice, I'll ask them to back it up with something. If more people did that here, I'm sure it would do wonders for the channels that come here for information!
I'm not saying that people posting this advice are bad people, or anything of the sort. In fact, I've repeatedly said that I think it's great that people share advice! But again, people should just be a little more careful about the advice they post.

But again, you mention the Rankify course (in some form or other) 5 times in this post, when it really has nothing at all to do with the discussion. Heck, I don't even get why it seems you're specifically angry at me, but none of the other people in this thread who basically said the same thing as myself.

First of all, I have read your previous post about SEO. It was insightful, but I could hardly consider it advice in itself. You give the basics, and that's good to explain the importance of SEO. However, there are no real specifics involved. Basically, you tell us to Google the rest for ourselves, just as you have done, and give us a case study example. On the other hand, you mention in another thread that you have information that we don't. Obviously, this is not information we cannot just Google and mimicking the same case study results would require months of research. In all, it seems like a dead end.

Second of all, I mention your product several times because that's what I believe you are trying to promote, just as we are trying to promote our YouTube channels. Forgive me if I'm wrong, that's just what it seems. I did take a look at your channel and noticed you're a vlogger. That gets lost in all of the promotion, though, so I don't see you as a "YouTuber" but rather as an Entrepreneur. So, I am addressing what is being emphasized, rather than your actual channel. However, you do note that you have several channels, which is lost on me. Is one channel a study channel? I'm not quite sure, so just correct me if I'm wrong.

Third, it upsets me because you address EVERYONE as giving bad advice. It just seems that you are trying to discount the credibility of every other YouTuber on here. There are several successful channels, as you probably know, that have provided advice. Is it bad advice? I wouldn't say so, seeing as they have the evidence, just as you have your case studies. With small channels, I understand. They don't have that credibility and shouldn't be taken as seriously if there is no long-term growth. However, to say that everyone offers bad advice that's not allowing channels on the forum to grow, I think that's a bit exaggerated. I'm just a bit snappy with you because you've said it multiple times in multiple threads, and I don't believe it's fair to group everyone together in such a way to lead people to believe that your advice is the only GOOD advice.[DOUBLEPOST=1376887855,1376887777][/DOUBLEPOST]So, I'm sorry that this became such a back-and-forth; I didn't mean for it to continue on.

 

[Philip Zeplin]

First of all, I have read your previous post about SEO. It was insightful, but I could hardly consider it advice in itself. You give the basics, and that's good to explain the importance of SEO. However, there are no real specifics involved. Basically, you tell us to Google the rest for ourselves, just as you have done, and give us a case study example. On the other hand, you mention in another thread that you have information that we don't. Obviously, this is not information we cannot just Google and mimicking the same case study results would require months of research. In all, it seems like a dead end.

Anyone can do what I did, given enough time. Prior to making the course, several things happened to flow together, for it to become a reality:
I've been a YouTuber for several years. I've been doing light (website based) SEO for about 3 years. I finished my Masters degree in Visual Communication. I spent a buttload of time and money researching and testing things.

If people are willing to put in the same time and effort, they can. It's not like I invented some "magical" way of getting "tons and millions of gazilions of views instantly" or anything. I'm selling a course, among others, to make a living, teaching what I've learned, so that others can reach those same results much faster than I ever did.

The thread was created back when there was, as far as I could tell, pretty much zero information on SEO on the forums - as such, it's an introduction to what SEO is, and the basics behind it.

Second of all, I mention your product several times because that's what I believe you are trying to promote, just as we are trying to promote our YouTube channels. Forgive me if I'm wrong, that's just what it seems. I did take a look at your channel and noticed you're a vlogger. That gets lost in all of the promotion, though, so I don't see you as a "YouTuber" but rather as an Entrepreneur. So, I am addressing what is being emphasized, rather than your actual channel. However, you do note that you have several channels, which is lost on me. Is one channel a study channel? I'm not quite sure, so just correct me if I'm wrong.

Of course I'm promoting it, but I try (hope?) I'm promoting it by providing constructive criticism, and pointing out flaws and improvements, in other peoples posts (and my own). I do this to actually back up what I claim: that I know what I'm doing.
I think I've soft-linked it a single time since the thread was created :S

But yes, I am a YouTuber, I mention this pretty much anywhere where the course is, because I consider it one of the strongest points: that it's not a marketing course, made by some random Internet Marketer who's never even had a decent YouTube channel.
The channel I run now, was my original one. In around 2009 I moved to a channel called "TokyoZeplin", which I dumped in January, and went back to my current old one. In the meantime, I've also had (guess I still have them?) channels "DesignZeplin" and "VlogsZeplin". In total, I'm guessing close to 3 million video views, on about 250'ish videos or so.

Third, it upsets me because you address EVERYONE as giving bad advice. It just seems that you are trying to discount the credibility of every other YouTuber on here. There are several successful channels, as you probably know, that have provided advice. Is it bad advice? I wouldn't say so, seeing as they have the evidence, just as you have your case studies. With small channels, I understand. They don't have that credibility and shouldn't be taken as seriously if there is no long-term growth. However, to say that everyone offers bad advice that's not allowing channels on the forum to grow, I think that's a bit exaggerated. I'm just a bit snappy with you because you've said it multiple times in multiple threads, and I don't believe it's fair to group everyone together in such a way to lead people to believe that your advice is the only GOOD advice.[DOUBLEPOST=1376887855,1376887777][/DOUBLEPOST]So, I'm sorry that this became such a back-and-forth; I didn't mean for it to continue on.

I certainly don't think everyone here is giving bad advice. Not at all! Now, I'll be perfectly honest, and say that I haven't read much here, though bits and pieces, that I didn't already know. But that's not saying it's all bad information - it's just saying that I'm getting a little old, in Internet Years. But in general I don't reply to those threads? Why? Because I have nothing useful to bring to the conversation. I agree with their advice, I already knew it though, and I have nothing meaningful to add. So I just don't reply.

But yes, I do think there is a lot of bad advice here - though it does seem to have gotten better over the last few months, actually! But what do you expect? I have a history, and a degree, in most of these topics, of course I'll find them lackluster, or lacking. In much the same way, I'm sure, that my post.Doc in Bio-Engineering friend would find any input I have, on organic cell structure, to be fairly "meh".

But, perhaps, unlike you, I would be 100% fine with my friend saying "Philip, damn man, that's so wrong I think I just saw a flying pig with jetskis and sunglasses. Here, this is how it is, lemme break it down for you: blablablaSCIENCEblablabla" (also, I hereby demand that "blablablaSCIENCEblablabla" become an internet thing). But maybe that's just me. The online design community used to be pretty harsh (way nicer now!) when I originally started, to I developed "criticism thick skin" over 10 years ago, then add death threats on YouTube, and a hard Degree, and you end up with me: a guy that's pretty used to just saying it how it is, and also being told how it is, without sugarcoating anything (because f**k sugar, that's why).

I do know I tend to come off as patronizing, or harsh. You're not the first to tell me this. I can only say that it's not my intention.

 

[Symph]

Why is everyone making threads about this but they have less then 50 subs? I know on this channel I have only 105 but my old one has well over 2k. I'm just wonder why everyone is posting this stuff if they are not even established yet?

You mean where they are giving advice on HOW to grow channels? (I haven't been super active lately)