Should I start over with a new channel?

Hello everyone and thanks for taking the time to take a look at my thread. For the past two days I have been contemplating the idea of opening a completely new channel dedicated to videos pertaining to a specific niche. This decision has not been an easy because our main channel now is special to us and the girls have already taken their role as the stars of our videos (this is after all their channel); however our subs aren't growing and our views aren't either. My daughter cannot believe it when she sees her videos are only getting less than 20 views (when in her mind her idea was so awesome); i just could never explain the complications and luck that come behind having a channel that you want to grow. The side of things is where I come in, and lately it's been hard to see us grow bigger than what we are now. I've been reading many great tips and advice regarding channel growth and mostly everyone says, you need a niche. I figured if we narrow our channel down to a specific category, then our community will grow. Just don't know how to do that on our channel when we've already established an identity (The Super Girls). Then this is why I thought of opening a second channel. Not sure if that would be the right move though. I really would appreciate any feedback/advice from any willing to share it. Thank you so much in advance!
 
I have been at this 6 months as of the 21 of this month. I have 110 vids out. Your channel is what a month old with 18 videos? You need to give it time. When I started I thought I would have thousands of subs by now and making money on this. Not so and talking to the people who are successful on YouTube it took a long time before they saw real growth. You have plenty of time to narrow down your niche on this channel because you haven't established anything yet. Make sure you do your seo work, promote on kid websites and keep grinding. This is a marathon not a sprint and you can make it to the finish line.
 
Supper Girls is just a channel name what you share in the channel will decide the niche your channel belongs in. for example, say supper Girls channel starts producing videos about unboxing toys well that is a niche, but you can also narrow it down to specific type of toys...that channel will be know to belong in that niche by the search engines and viewers...and yes by narrowing down your niche you will have opportunities of growing...so to answer your question it will also depend on the niche you want to target...does that make sense..hope so
 
I have been at this 6 months as of the 21 of this month. I have 110 vids out. Your channel is what a month old with 18 videos? You need to give it time. When I started I thought I would have thousands of subs by now and making money on this. Not so and talking to the people who are successful on YouTube it took a long time before they saw real growth. You have plenty of time to narrow down your niche on this channel because you haven't established anything yet. Make sure you do your seo work, promote on kid websites and keep grinding. This is a marathon not a sprint and you can make it to the finish line.

Hey! Thanks for the awesome advice! The more I spend time on this site the more I realize how truly difficult this type of work is. Seems like everyone is struggling in one way or another. But you're absolutely right everyone, even the big channels started out at the bottom, if they did it why can't we right (wishful thinking) lol. Thanks again![DOUBLEPOST=1501271991,1501271725][/DOUBLEPOST]
Supper Girls is just a channel name what you share in the channel will decide the niche your channel belongs in. for example, say supper Girls channel starts producing videos about unboxing toys well that is a niche, but you can also narrow it down to specific type of toys...that channel will be know to belong in that niche by the search engines and viewers...and yes by narrowing down your niche you will have opportunities of growing...so to answer your question it will also depend on the niche you want to target...does that make sense..hope so

Hey! Thanks for responding to my post. I see what you're saying and I guess since my channel is fairly new I still have time to experiment with some specifics. I just thought it would be easier if the channel was new (as far as youtube ranking is concerned); but I guess even then it would still be tough to compete with the big channels. So for now I'll keep working and hopefully my hard will pay off. Thanks again!
 
Stick to the one channel. It only makes sense to open a new channel in certain instances. One is when your main channel has traffic over 1-5M/month. The other is when you hit over 50k subs (with appropriate traffic). The most important thing now is to learn how the whole gizmo works. Popping a new channel now without learning how to grow the current one, in most likelihood, will have the same result.

Think of a channel as Toys R Us - you walk in and there's an aisle for Cars 3, one for Baby Toys, one for Barbie, one for dolls, one for outdoor playsets, one for etc etc. Each one is a playlist on your channel. See which one gets the best response. Focus more on that one. It doesn't have to be toys, it can be skits. You've got "bad baby jail" skits, "crushing" skits, "superhero" skits, "all sorts of crap in the pool" skits, "giant balloon stuck in my..." skits, and many more skits. Each one can be a playlist. In the case of unlimited time and resources, each playlist could be a new channel, but the workload would be extreme.

Best to focus on one channel, build up traffic until you get 1M+, then you can use that traffic and direct it to the new channel via a number of mechanisms. By that stage you'll have a much better idea of what works, what's in demand, and what to stay clear of.

Your main issue now is growing traffic. There are only a number of ways:
1. sub4sub with other toy channels
2. relationship4relationship with other toy channels
3. adwords
4. on trend content, executed over and over, aiming to get on right sidebar suggested of progressively large channels (goes hand in hand with channel and playlist shadowing).

Each one of the above had its benefits and drawbacks. Neither is good or bad as such, and each can and has been used by almost all channels. One thing that's often promoted on this forum but doesn't work for kids channels (unless the content has high viral potential) is social media such as reddit, twitter, fb, and all the others.

Good luck!
 
I agree with KiddieToysReview, don't start a new channel! I haven't watch your videos or look at any metadata, but it looked like you guys just started and have less than 20 videos. There's no reason to start over right now. I would improve on the thumbnails thou. It seems like you guys are targeting kids around 3-5 years old, most of them can't read, and with so much text, it just clutter the thumbnails. Without trendy types of videos, sadly it will be a long way to grow your channel. Good luck and your girls looks adorable!
 
Stick to the one channel. It only makes sense to open a new channel in certain instances. One is when your main channel has traffic over 1-5M/month. The other is when you hit over 50k subs (with appropriate traffic). The most important thing now is to learn how the whole gizmo works. Popping a new channel now without learning how to grow the current one, in most likelihood, will have the same result.

Think of a channel as Toys R Us - you walk in and there's an aisle for Cars 3, one for Baby Toys, one for Barbie, one for dolls, one for outdoor playsets, one for etc etc. Each one is a playlist on your channel. See which one gets the best response. Focus more on that one. It doesn't have to be toys, it can be skits. You've got "bad baby jail" skits, "crushing" skits, "superhero" skits, "all sorts of crap in the pool" skits, "giant balloon stuck in my..." skits, and many more skits. Each one can be a playlist. In the case of unlimited time and resources, each playlist could be a new channel, but the workload would be extreme.

Best to focus on one channel, build up traffic until you get 1M+, then you can use that traffic and direct it to the new channel via a number of mechanisms. By that stage you'll have a much better idea of what works, what's in demand, and what to stay clear of.

Your main issue now is growing traffic. There are only a number of ways:
1. sub4sub with other toy channels
2. relationship4relationship with other toy channels
3. adwords
4. on trend content, executed over and over, aiming to get on right sidebar suggested of progressively large channels (goes hand in hand with channel and playlist shadowing).

Each one of the above had its benefits and drawbacks. Neither is good or bad as such, and each can and has been used by almost all channels. One thing that's often promoted on this forum but doesn't work for kids channels (unless the content has high viral potential) is social media such as reddit, twitter, fb, and all the others.

Good luck!

It is all making so much more sense. The more I read I'm like duh! lol thank you so much for taking time to break this down to me. But in regards to the ways to build traffic, I just don't really know how to go about asking for sub4sub or relationship4relationship (i'm not even sure what that means?). I don't want to annoy anyone, and I'm not sure how the sub4sub will increase my views if they are only subscribing for a sub, not cause they are interested in my content. Adwords, I'm still working on understanding this whole part, and on trend content over and over could get quite expensive due to having to jump on the train asap in order to keep up... Am I making any sense or am I just letting it all overwhelmingly consume me? Could you give me some tips please? I really appreciate all of this! :)
 
I agree with KiddieToysReview, don't start a new channel! I haven't watch your videos or look at any metadata, but it looked like you guys just started and have less than 20 videos. There's no reason to start over right now. I would improve on the thumbnails thou. It seems like you guys are targeting kids around 3-5 years old, most of them can't read, and with so much text, it just clutter the thumbnails. Without trendy types of videos, sadly it will be a long way to grow your channel. Good luck and your girls looks adorable!

OMG! lol! You have no idea our 3 year old wakes up and the first thing she says is "can I watch Ryan toy video" lol! you guys are always on somewhere in my home so to see this post from you is unbelievably cool and has me a bit star struck :biggrin: . Getting back to your response though, thank you so much for taking the time out to give some constructive criticism, we've got no one leaving any comments so we are completely clueless to what people think. I truly do appreciate it and welcome any other tips and advice; I felt the thumbnails weren't doing any justice (even thought of re-doing them) and now I know exactly where to start :). KiddieToysReview has also given some amazing tips, and I have really opened up to some new ideas, hopefully we'll be able to create some trendy content. It is definitely a lot of work on the backend side of things and I'm still learning about metadata, but each day is a new learning experience and I know the only way to get to our goal is by not giving up. Thank you so much for responding to my thread, I'm so grateful AND hopeful now :) lol thanks again!
 
It is all making so much more sense. The more I read I'm like duh! lol thank you so much for taking time to break this down to me. But in regards to the ways to build traffic, I just don't really know how to go about asking for sub4sub or relationship4relationship (i'm not even sure what that means?). I don't want to annoy anyone, and I'm not sure how the sub4sub will increase my views if they are only subscribing for a sub, not cause they are interested in my content. Adwords, I'm still working on understanding this whole part, and on trend content over and over could get quite expensive due to having to jump on the train asap in order to keep up... Am I making any sense or am I just letting it all overwhelmingly consume me? Could you give me some tips please? I really appreciate all of this! :)

I definitely don't recommend s4s in the broad sense. However, in a limited sense where you know the positive/negative of the strategy, it may bootstrap some growth. R4R is the next level above s4s, where you make genuine relationships with like minded channels and watch each others' videos, share playlist, collaborate on topic ideas, etc. R4R has the benefit that if the relationships are genuine, it would increase watch time and associations between channels. So if you're in a group of 10 channels doing r4r, and one starts to grow, assuming they still keep to the relationship, you may get follow on traffic effects from playlists and continuing to collab on video ideas.

S4s's only real benefit, 2 perhaps, is it creates the psychological impression for "real" viewers that your channel has some decent numbers. I think people have an aversion to sub if a channel is under 1k, perhaps 2k. So if you show those numbers, viewers may be more inclined, as they see the channel is committed and has passed the initial hurdles. The other benefit, is you will get some views, but at very low retention. I would argue this does not really matter in the very early startup phase, as your retention is likely very low anyways (our was for sure, about 10-15% from memory). If s4s is adopted, I would only do it for the first 1k-2k subs. That level of s4s would give you about 200-300 views per video, as many s4s channels are curious to check out what you are doing, your quality, and leave a comment. Doing that gives you 10-20% retention before they click off.

I'm not advocating you do the s4s strategy, just laying out the strategy and how many channels do do it. If you can build some r4r relationships with like minded committed channels at the below 1k sub level, and work together. I think it's vital to hit 2k subs as soon as possible. I have always seen growth start to happen once you get to that minimum critical mass of subs. Generally, at 2k subs, at 10% views you get 200 views/video. That places you above the 50,000 other channels doing the same thing getting 10-50 views/video. This thing is a pure numbers game, the better your numbers, the higher your positions are (on suggested, in feeds, in search, channel authority, etc, etc).

Trend following does get expensive, especially toy trends. When we started I ended up purchasing about 10 Thomas sets, and countless accessories. It's expensive when you get 200 views a video and make $1 for a days work. That's why skits would be cheaper to some extent, but to execute the "really cool" skits, say Vlad Crazyshow style, would still need a sizeable investment in on camera and off camera resources. Of course someone like ToysToSee do many skits that don't require expensive props, so they are a good channel to model as well. You can also do the current hot trend - lava challenge, that doesn't require anything apart from petrol to drive around. Make it cool, stick the kids in somewhere no one has done before, could be good! It ain't easy nor cheap running a channel, actually it's quite expensive on some days!
 
Make a second channel! I wouldn't restart because you would be killing a flower before it has time to grow. Use this channel to test things out. YouTube is a process, so learn as much as you can and take your time. There's no rush and it's definitely a learning experience. Just keep at it.
 
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