Instant monetization still possible with Gaming Networks?

lonrot

lonrot

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Hi,

Due to Youtube's change of policies or mere luck by the end of january my most recent video commentaries that include game footage have gotten the infamous "provide proof for monetization" notice. While I have written permission for most of the content, It's rather a hit or miss situation and very time consuming.

How is this working for partner programs with Networks like TGN or Machinima? Is still possible to upload videos and monetize instantly without ever worrying about Youtube reviewing the content automatically?

100% of my gameplay videos include my face and I play only indie games, most of them are alphas/betas. The developers are more than happy to approve monetization since they get promotion. Music is also copyright free. And very rarely I get content-id flags.

Yet I dislike the idea of having to submit proof for monetization for every single video I upload.

What do you recommend?
Stick with Youtube's standard partnership or go with a Network?
 
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I recommend getting permission or not uploading the game footage lol Copyright is copyright, assuming that because the devs are indies that they will want free promotion is practically a death sentance for your channel. ALWAYS seek permission when monetisting but ALWAYS check for video policies before posting to YouTube. I've had situations where I've emailed developers for permission, got that permission only to find out later on that they didn't own the rights to the music used in their game. Even though I haven't received a content ID match this could have been a fairly big problem later on down the track if something happened. Including your face on a gaming video doesn't make the copyrights go away lol
 
I'm with RPM and an affiliate (I think...) and a gaming channel and we still get instant monetisation.
With our channel we play it safe and go with indie games as people who create them are happy to let people play and record their games :)
Just a word of warning though be careful about music in game as well as player models some indie devs have used player models from AAA games and I haven't been able to post the video or monetise because of it :L
 
First off, your channel will lose the instant monetization because it seems like you are an affiliate. Plus, its really not that bad. It just takes a little time.
 
As Gabriel said, the system for affiliate review isn't implemented yet. For the next few months it will be business as usual (instant monetization) until YouTube has it ready.
 
Tarmack said:
As Gabriel said, the system for affiliate review isn't implemented yet. For the next few months it will be business as usual (instant monetization) until YouTube has it ready.
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So the future is unknown, it might be easier to work with networks or exactly the same as working alone? Considering that they might take even days reviewing your content for monetization. Or at least I heard that.
 
lonrot said:
So the future is unknown, it might be easier to work with networks or exactly the same as working alone? Considering that they might take even days reviewing your content for monetization. Or at least I heard that.
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A lot of people heard that. It lacks logic though. YouTube puts it's own business in jeopardy if all partner channels can't monetize content for days after release. They want the review to be as fast as possible just like we do.

For the time being, networks have instant monetization which is great and all. When YouTube will get the new system up and running we don't know. Current target is May, but originally it was January so whether they hit that May timeframe or not is unknown.

I still wouldn't sign a network agreement for any longer than a year. But that's my view on it always.
 
I agree with your logic Tarmack but YT has deep pockets. An assumption I might make is that google would be more concerned with being sued by large copyright holders like Activision than screwing us over. We are much less likely to sue and if one of us could actually win the payoff would be pennies compared to the millions Activision would be awarded if the did. You can't get a response from Activision when you try to get permission via either contract or licensing fee but somehow it seems like large networks are able to get it. I have one COD Tutoral that just reached 140,00 views and YT rejected monetization on it within a few hours. I didn't even get to have a review period to reply if I did have written permission/fair use. Kinda sucks... I can't believe that they would only allow us to monetize if we agree to split our profits with a network in addition to what YT already takes. I'm so lost. Does anyone know how to get authorization from Activision?
 
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Crash said:
I agree with your logic Tarmack but YT has deep pockets. An assumption I might make is that google would be more concerned with being sued by large copyright holders like Activision than screwing us over. We are much less likely to sue and if one of us could actually win the payoff would be pennies compared to the millions Activision would be awarded if the did. You can't get a response from Activision when you try to get permission via either contract or licensing fee but somehow it seems like large networks are able to get it. I have one COD Tutoral that just reached 140,00 views and YT rejected monetization on it within a few hours. I didn't even get to have a review period to reply if I did have written permission/fair use. Kinda sucks... I can't believe that they would only allow us to monetize if we agree to split our profits with a network in addition to what YT already takes. I'm so lost. Does anyone know how to get authorization from Activision?
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It's just a question of misunderstanding the systems in place. When you are not partnered, YouTube assumes front end liability for all content. So they implemented the Adsense Review, a system which guesses based on tags, description and other linking factors whether your content is likely to be your own or likely to be owned by someone else. If it guesses that your stuff is owned by someone else, is sits in limbo for a long time or flat out denies you. You should be able to submit "proof of ownership rights" but it's worth noting that it doesn't have an option for "I have permission to use this content".

When you're partnered, the liability assumption is on the other side, so monetization occurs immediately regardless of ownership. It's not that networks have direct permission, that's just a rumor YouTubers spread for them. It's that partner content isn't reviewed by the Adsense bot prior to monetization.

Following all of that is the ContentID system which is a positive match against known copyrighted content. This one applies to everyone equally, and tends to only hit on audio tracks or exact match video like game trailers, movies, etc.

If you want simple monetization, sign up with Curse. 90/10 split and 30 day contract terms so you can basically leave whenever you want and don't have to deal with the Adsense review, at least until May when the new system goes online.

Ultimately, I don't believe the new Adsense Review will be bad. YouTube has too much money on the line to have anywhere near a majority of channels unmonetized for longer than a few hours after a video goes live. The amount of money left on the table would put potential lawsuits to shame. I expect the reviews to become very infrequent for established channels and I expect them to only take a couple hours at the longest when they do happen.
 
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