Forela Digital Admits Contract isn't Legal

[Jen Kelly]

Mackensie Alvarez is there network manager and also offers the one and only support in Forela Digital. Kamran has yet to respond to any messages concern his non legal contract and has failed to release hundreds of channels that request to be released due to lack of support, failure to offer the correct benefits listed on foreladigital.com and Illegal binding contracts. Mackensie later tells me I need to pick up a Legal Book for beginners when he does not even understand The English Contract Law which says Minors cannot take responsibility for contracts they sign and that adult parties that they (Contract) with do. If he understood this law and common he would know even if Forela's contract was legal that the contract in the case signed is not. I highly suggest not signing with this network or any other that has lock in and has history of bad support or unenforceable contracts.

 

[fishcharlie]

Lately there have been a lot of people disliking Forela. It seems to me that Forela needs to work on improving their network. Kamran Sankey is very inactive and I feel like he is not in a good place to be running a network since he is so busy. They seem way under staffed and just overall not ready.

Just my view point recently. I mean people are obviously not happy with Forela or these threads wouldn't be made.

 

[Spacemind_d]

Jen Kelly ,
You quoted Mac on a messsge from a chat earlier regarding "support", i think you are not only slandering his name but also providing false intell on the so called "support" you were leading him to believe that you were in need of. You stated and i quote "Mackensie later tells me I need to pick up a Legal Book for beginners when he does not even understand The English Contract Law which says Minors cannot take responsibility for contracts they sign and that adult parties that they (Contract) with do. " If this was true then any network giving , or involved with any contract with a Minor would thus be voided as "minors cannot take responsibility for contracts" This would mean that in fact contracts involving any minor with any network would have to be revised , stamped and documented with both parental and minor signature , this also means that all channels that are partnered with these said Un responsible contracts would be un partnered from any and all networks not just Forela.I think you tried very hard to make it seem like Forela is not doing the Job that they are supposed to but then again how can they with people like you calming false nonsense. Jen I think you need to take a second look at that book Mackensie has referred you.

 

[fishcharlie]

Jen Kelly ,
You quoted Mac on a messsge from a chat earlier regarding "support", i think you are not only slandering his name but also providing false intell on the so called "support" you were leading him to believe that you were in need of. You stated and i quote "Mackensie later tells me I need to pick up a Legal Book for beginners when he does not even understand The English Contract Law which says Minors cannot take responsibility for contracts they sign and that adult parties that they (Contract) with do. " If this was true then any network giving , or involved with any contract with a Minor would thus be voided as "minors cannot take responsibility for contracts" This would mean that in fact contracts involving any minor with any network would have to be revised , stamped and documented with both parental and minor signature , this also means that all channels that are partnered with these said Un responsible contracts would be un partnered from any and all networks not just Forela.I think you tried very hard to make it seem like Forela is not doing the Job that they are supposed to but then again how can they with people like you calming false nonsense. Jen I think you need to take a second look at that book Mackensie has referred you.

Wow there are a lot of new members on this post!! I would be curious to know who both of you are. Anyways.

"that all channels that are partnered with these said Un responsible contracts would be un partnered from any and all networks not just Forela"

I think that is true. I think that channels should be un-partnered if a contract is not valid. Personally I think its wrong for Forela (and all networks for that matter) to take advantage of kid. I think that networks can give off the wrong image sometimes. Partnering with a network can be SUPER fun and exciting. But at the same time I don't think that enough people know the risks, I'm mostly referring to kids right now. Don't get me wrong some kids know a lot about this stuff.

But I see too many networks taking advantage of people. The benefits of no lock in contracts that some networks provide!!!!! Just everyone do your research, please.[DOUBLEPOST=1400899152,1400898896][/DOUBLEPOST]I'm also going to stand by my point that Kamran Sankey rarely replies. It is sad that someone who runs a network has next to no staff and is never online to help people him self. There are a few networks where their owners reply often, which makes the network that much better!

 

[Shane]

I think that is true. I think that channels should be un-partnered if a contract is not valid. Personally I think its wrong for Forela (and all networks for that matter) to take advantage of kid. I think that networks can give off the wrong image sometimes. Partnering with a network can be SUPER fun and exciting. But at the same time I don't think that enough people know the risks, I'm mostly referring to kids right now. Don't get me wrong some kids know a lot about this stuff.

Lets not kid ourselves here, anyone with the enough brains to work out a law that may void their contract isn't someone that is going to partner un-aware of what they are entering into.

In most cases, although the law is a bit iffy around minors, any minor that bothers spending 1000s going to court is unlikely to win.

Reason? Because not only would they for most MCNs have had to impersonate their parent/ guardian on their signature (fraud) but also by signing once as them and again as an adult they would have known full well they are signing something that is worth while reading.

 

[fishcharlie]

have had to impersonate their parent/ guardian on their signature (fraud) but also by signing once as them and again as an adult they would have known full well they are signing something that is worth while reading.

Oh wait I forgot..... Forela, CN, Music Nations, Zoomin.TV, etc. all make the contract/terms very unclear and they have it in super small print at the bottom of the application. When partnering with any of those networks you never sign your name anywhere on a contract. This makes it very confusing to the partner and overall not a good experience.

I will quote you @Shane.C "Lets not kid ourselves here", when a network makes it that hard to find the terms and contract then that is not fair at all. After doing a super quick search on the Creation Nation application form the terms and conditions link is in 12 point font when the rest of the form is in 14 point font if I understand correctly. I know one thing for sure the contract link is much smaller then the rest of the form.

Now I'm not saying that BBTV is a good network at all. But they actually make you use EchoSign and actually sign your name for all of the partnership contracts. This makes it much more clear what you are getting into.

Again I think Creative Nation and all of these networks are decent networks. They for sure have to improve on a few things tho. Again I feel like it gets back to my point that "I see too many networks taking advantage of people." Just my thoughts on the matter tho.

Sorry also if this thread is getting off topic. I guess the reason this topic was made was because someone felt like the Forela contract was not legal. I'm still in shock that a staff member of a MCN would admit that their own contract is not legal. But I'm not here to point fingers. Everyone has room for improvement.

 

[Jen Kelly]

Jen Kelly ,
You quoted Mac on a messsge from a chat earlier regarding "support", i think you are not only slandering his name but also providing false intell on the so called "support" you were leading him to believe that you were in need of. You stated and i quote "Mackensie later tells me I need to pick up a Legal Book for beginners when he does not even understand The English Contract Law which says Minors cannot take responsibility for contracts they sign and that adult parties that they (Contract) with do. " If this was true then any network giving , or involved with any contract with a Minor would thus be voided as "minors cannot take responsibility for contracts" This would mean that in fact contracts involving any minor with any network would have to be revised , stamped and documented with both parental and minor signature , this also means that all channels that are partnered with these said Un responsible contracts would be un partnered from any and all networks not just Forela.I think you tried very hard to make it seem like Forela is not doing the Job that they are supposed to but then again how can they with people like you calming false nonsense. Jen I think you need to take a second look at that book Mackensie has referred you.

I dont think you quit read everything I wrote or at least understood it. The point is I asked for Support. He said he was there only support, Secondly he said that his contract was not even enforceable even without any minor. So please take time to understand basic knowledge and law.[DOUBLEPOST=1400905668,1400905557][/DOUBLEPOST]

Lets not kid ourselves here, anyone with the enough brains to work out a law that may void their contract isn't someone that is going to partner un-aware of what they are entering into.

In most cases, although the law is a bit iffy around minors, any minor that bothers spending 1000s going to court is unlikely to win.

Reason? Because not only would they for most MCNs have had to impersonate their parent/ guardian on their signature (fraud) but also by signing once as them and again as an adult they would have known full well they are signing something that is worth while reading.

They dont even have a signature on there contract it is a check box that says you agree to there contract. So it has nothing to do with impersonating their parent. And he said even without the minor say just a normal 18+ yr old youtuber signed the contract it is still not a legal contract.

 

[fishcharlie]

I just thought I would add to my previous post. Mackensie Alvarez is a network manager for Forela Digital. Forela Digital had a requirement for all network managers to be 18+ last time I heard. I believe Mackensie was hired a few months ago if I'm correct. According to his Skype profile his birthday is listed Dec 2, 1996. So he is only 17 years of age. Unless of course his Skype profile is lying or is not correct.

I'm just curious about this as well. Maybe Kamran Sankey should enforce the policies he creates.

Let me finish by saying this is what happens when a CEO or owner is not active. Obviously people dislike how little Kamran is online. I guess my hope for my posts is to have Forela improve. I don't want to see any network suffering. We are a community we should be helping each other.

But I feel like Kamran Sankey and other people aren't seeing how bad it truly is. I'm worried that Kamran Sankey won't unlink any channels when there contracts are expired (even tho I have already heard stories that a few of them he hasn't unlinked and they are just waiting). I just want what is best for this community. I just hope that some of this can open some peoples eyes and help improve everything.

 

[Shane]

That's a fairly odd thing to say really A company's hiring policies can change on the drop of a hat, there's not much reason why a network manager could not be under 18 as long as they had relations with someone older to handle the legal signing of the network.

Mackenzie is a pretty knowledgeable guy Saying an employee has to be a certain age is actually also illegal for those over 16 in Ireland which is where Forela is incorporated, all I mean is there is no point missing out on someone that fits the role just because they are a few months under what you were looking for it's not like it's a fixed "policy" that needs to be enforced.

 

[fishcharlie]

Saying an employee has to be a certain age is actually also illegal for those over 16 in Ireland which is where Forela is incorporated

Wow Ireland has some stupid laws then lucky I have this thing called Freedom of Speech so I can say that from my point of view Forela is failing and they need to work on improving, and of course that starts with Kamran Sankey being more active. I mean from my knowledge Forela only has like less then 5 staff members. I know they have 2 network managers and of course Kamran, but I have never talked to anyone else that is truly involved in Forela.

Sorry if this is too much for you to understand @Shane.C, but I personally think that anyone who thinks that Forela doing great and people love the network is just kidding them selfs. They have a lot of room for improvement. And I know it from all the posts on YTTalk, people dislike Forela.