After Effects as an NLE

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Just a quick question - why do so many people on this forum recommend After Effects as being good editing software? Yes, it is very well made amd very powerful, but using it for editing is not what it is designed or optimised for. If anything, it makes the experience of editing painful. Premiere Pro is Adobe's NLE (My personal choice), but it is design for use as an editor. AE is designed as a tool for compositing visual effects and for motion graphics - neither of which apply to 90% of people on this forum.

Why then, do so many peolple suggest it for editing videos?

While I am at it, I would just like to establish a proper definition of "professional software". Any software can be "professional" because someone, somewhere is being paid to use it. This doesn't make it a good tool, and it certainly doesn't necessarily make it worth the price. I have noticed a lot of people refer to Sony Vegas and the like as "pro" software but I think everyone needs to realise that just because it cost more than £100, it isn't necessarily a "professional" tool. Avid Media Composer is a "professional" tool - how do I demonstrate this? It was used to edit the majority of Oscar-winning films last awards ceremony. Maya is "professional" software - it is used by the worlds biggest and most highly sought-after VFX houses and animation studios. Same with Nuke for VFX. Same with Final Cut Pro and again with Premiere Pro.

All of these products, while pricey are industry-proven "pro" tools - they are chosen by people who are incredibly talented and knowledgable and for the, cost isn't an issue.

I respect that some people might not be able to afford all of this high-end stuff, but that doesn't make the low-end software any better - it just makes it more available.

This brings me to my third and final point. Buying new software or a new camera will NOT automatically make your videos better. This is not a contentious point. Ask any knowledgable filmmaker and they will tell you this. It is possible to work wonders with the worst kit imaginable, if it is used in the right way and it is used by a creative amd talented individual. I recommend watching DigitalRevTV's "Pro Photographer, Cheap Camera" challenge series if you want to see talented peolple using rubbish kit very well. Furthermore, do not expect to learn overnight. It takes "professionals" years to truly master their craft and they are not trying to do everything. They will focus on one tiny area and learn that as deeply as they can. Going back to my point, let us take a camera for example. Buying a Canon 5D, while it is a lovely high-end body, does not guarantee good images. Many filmmakers and youtubers have demonstrated that it is perfectly possible to get nice images but this is not just down to the camera body. It is also down to the set, the lighting, the editing, the colour correction and grading, the shot composition and finally nice content (obviously not forgetting the importance of a good appropriate lens, correct settings e.g. exposure, white balance, aperture, shutter speed, ISO and every other setting within the camera). Buying yourself a nice Canon DSLR does not guarantee any of these things. So before you go out and buy a new camera - think to yourself; am I really using this camera to its potential? Am I the best I can be with this equipment? Is the body the problem or is it a lens or the lighting? When you can confirm all of these things, then it is time to think about a new body. But remember - glass is just as important (and 4K is overrated and pointless at this stage, especially since your PC/Mac probably can't handle editing or grading it properly in real time.

Anyway - I would love to hear all your opinions on these issues, and the other things that irritate you on this forum!

/END RANT/

Edit: apologies for typos - I am on my phone!
 
People tend to recommend it because it's most probably the only one they've pirated :P
All seriousness though, I think people recommend it just because it seems to do the job, even though it isn't ideal.
As for your point about pro software, not sure if I agree a hundred percent, pro software is just what profesionals use.
I'm sure there's someone out there who uses Sony Vegas (poor sod) in his job.
I don't wish Avid on anyone, it is being replaced more and more from what I have seen these days.
As for the whole 4K thing, yea it isn't useful yet. Give it 5 years and it might be more popular, but these days it is just a marketing point.
The "your PC/Mac probably can't handle editing it properly in real time', well, speak for yourself :P, mine does pretty darn well and it is a laptop!

Overall though I agree with pretty much your points x)
 
People tend to recommend it because it's most probably the only one they've pirated [emoji14]
All seriousness though, I think people recommend it just because it seems to do the job, even though it isn't ideal.
As for your point about pro software, not sure if I agree a hundred percent, pro software is just what profesionals use.
I'm sure there's someone out there who uses Sony Vegas (poor sod) in his job.
I don't wish Avid on anyone, it is being replaced more and more from what I have seen these days.
As for the whole 4K thing, yea it isn't useful yet. Give it 5 years and it might be more popular, but these days it is just a marketing point.
The "your PC/Mac probably can't handle editing it properly in real time', well, speak for yourself [emoji14], mine does pretty darn well and it is a laptop!

Overall though I agree with pretty much your points x)
Come on guys - if you are going to pirate software at least do it properly and pirate something more appropriate! You can choose anything with the power of a bittorrent client at your command - so why AE? :D

The "your pc can't handle it" thing was more of a jibe to be honest. My stuff handles it fine, but a lot of people won't be able to do complex grades or effects particularly well (cough low powered overpriced macbook cough)...also render times must be hell! :)

Avid has its good points and bad points I guess. It is...efficient? It is just designed to do its job in a professional film environment and nothing more - it is actually pretty un-gimmicky as NLEs go!
 
Come on guys - if you are going to pirate software at least do it properly and pirate something more appropriate! You can choose anything with the power of a bittorrent client at your command - so why AE? :D

The "your pc can't handle it" thing was more of a jibe to be honest. My stuff handles it fine, but a lot of people won't be able to do complex grades or effects particularly well (cough low powered overpriced macbook cough)...also render times must be hell! :)

Avid has its good points and bad points I guess. It is...efficient? It is just designed to do its job in a professional film environment and nothing more - it is actually pretty un-gimmicky as NLEs go!
I'm really not a fan of Avid, sure it is very efficient, it's just the entry level for it is way too steep. I'm fairly good at it, but it has taken ages for that. Picked up most of the basics of Premiere in about a week. Personally I edit better when there's not much faffing around x)
 
I'm really not a fan of Avid, sure it is very efficient, it's just the entry level for it is way too steep. I'm fairly good at it, but it has taken ages for that. Picked up most of the basics of Premiere in about a week. Personally I edit better when there's not much faffing around x)
Same in terms of ease of use and faffing, but proxy files in Premiere can be horrible if you ever need to use them (I have only used them seriously on one occasion for a heavy vfx sequence).

What do you grade with (if at all) out of interest?
 
Same in terms of ease of use and faffing, but proxy files in Premiere can be horrible if you ever need to use them (I have only used them seriously on one occasion for a heavy vfx sequence).

What do you grade with (if at all) out of interest?
Grading isn't my speciality at all, the few times I've had to do it was with SpeedGrade (and Magic Bullet for the most basic of fixes) because it was the most conveniant at the time.
Going to try and get familiar with DaVinci resolve this summer though.
Haven't had to use proxy files yet in Premiere so wouldn't know, only had to use them once in Avid and it was a painful set up (first time hah)
 
Grading isn't my speciality at all, the few times I've had to do it was with SpeedGrade (and Magic Bullet for the most basic of fixes) because it was the most conveniant at the time.
Going to try and get familiar with DaVinci resolve this summer though.
Haven't had to use proxy files yet in Premiere so wouldn't know, only had to use them once in Avid and it was a painful set up (first time hah)
I like Resolve because of the flexibility of a node-based system, however some of the tools can be a little clunky as it is trying to start selling itself as an editor. Ultimately though you would normally just use XML sequences within it though so you are always feeding off the original footage rather than a DPX sequence or re-encoded file. I would love to have a go with SGO Mistika (I think it is called that) but systems are few and far between and it is horrifically expensive (even excluding the pretty much compulsory hardware that goes with it). Magic Bullet can be useful to get an idea of what you could do for a shot but it obviously doesn't provide the flexibility a dedicated colour program does.

As regards to proxy files - I don't think they are ever really fun or pleasurable to work with - it is just like politicians though, pick what you hate least ;)
 
I can't say I've seen anyone go out of their way to "recommend" it for video editing because that's just silly...
 
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