A question about frames per second...

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TheIrishWill

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So I'm shooting on a Canon 600D (or t3i to some people!) and have been having some trouble with the quality of the footage in my uploads, more often then not the footage looks fine up until I upload it and then it tends to be kind of blurry/generally low quality looking.
Ive been shooting and exporting at 25fps but I'm thinking maybe I should try up it to 30fps somehow? Ive seen videos from people with nearly an identical set up to me and their quality looks awesome so its really frustrating seeing mine fall short. :/

Overall I'm trying to figure out the best settings for a walk and talk type Vlog (think Mike Falzone style!)

Any advice on this would be really appreciated!
 
The better the frames, the better the quality, lesser frames, bad quality, for gaming you wanna roughly get 30+ when you record it, so I'm guessing it would kinda be the same for a camera too? Try 30 and let us know :D
 
Shiftkin said:
The better the frames, the better the quality, lesser frames, bad quality, for gaming you wanna roughly get 30+ when you record it, so I'm guessing it would kinda be the same for a camera too? Try 30 and let us know :D
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Hmm it seems the t3i/600D cant seem to do 30fps!

I can shoot in 60fps but I really don't like the way that looks in videos :/

If I shoot in 25fps should I be exporting it as 24???
 
Since you're shooting in 25fps, I'm guessing you live in a PAL territory, since they do standard 25fps over there. You have a few options, depending on what editing software you are using (like adobe premiere or after effects) you can interpret the video as 24fps, which is the film standard most the world, (most consumer cameras shoot in 23.98, which is almost the same). If you up it to 3fps, that should be okay, in fact any fps would be fine if you're just doing vlog stuff. The only issue is that you could have trouble with sound syncing with different frame rates.

Anyhow, from what I'm guessing here, is that something is getting messed up in your export settings of whatever program you're using. What program do you use and what settings are you exporting with?
 
Check your data rates/bit rates and resolution. Frames won't effect quality more so than the speed of the video itself i.e. a 5-10 fps vid may look slow or choppy vs a 25-30 frame video that will look cinematic or a 60 frame video that will look nice and smooth with reduced motion blur. Data rates/bit rates will effect the quality of the image per frame at different resolutions. 2000kb can look pretty decent at 1080P but as soon as you try to view it in anything lower, it looks terrible because of the conversion. To compensate for this YouTube always recommends 5000kbs/5mbps for 720P or 8000kbs/8mbps for 1080P and naturally higher for any higher resolutions. So double check your export settings to make sure your bit rates are set correctly.
Also don't confuse audio bit rates with video bit rates, hence why I referred to them as data rates as well which is more of a windows standard.
Look here for more information: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1722171?hl=en
 
You can down-convert to 30p from 60p, just make sure you tell your editing software to DROP every second frame instead of BLEND them. Blending will cause ghosting, and that drags down quality. The added benefit is that you can stretch 60p footage and create loss-less slow-motion!
 
TheIrishWill said:
So I'm shooting on a Canon 600D (or t3i to some people!) and have been having some trouble with the quality of the footage in my uploads, more often then not the footage looks fine up until I upload it and then it tends to be kind of blurry/generally low quality looking.
Ive been shooting and exporting at 25fps but I'm thinking maybe I should try up it to 30fps somehow? Ive seen videos from people with nearly an identical set up to me and their quality looks awesome so its really frustrating seeing mine fall short. :/

Overall I'm trying to figure out the best settings for a walk and talk type Vlog (think Mike Falzone style!)

Any advice on this would be really appreciated!
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Not at all trying to promote here, but if you look at my (only) video on my channel you'll see I've got the option for 1080p 60fps. Stick it in that mode and look at the crisp quality, and compare to your video quality.

How I did it? It's all about the encoder. I use Adobe Premiere, and when you go to export the footage you're able to change your encoding settings. I stick with the obvious 1080p 16:9 dimensions, and as for the framerate ... I record in 59.94fps (basically 60fps) with my DSLR, so I change the default H.264 framerate of 24fps to 60fps. It will not harm anything, and usually you'll have NO need whatsoever for the 60fps. In my case though, I was riding in a car and the camera shakes around a lot. The more frames, the less blur there is. I also do have the vibration reduction system on in my lens, that helps tons for those sorts of situations.

I feel like I just rambled without clearly explaining anything. So, any questions? I'd be glad to help :)
 
Youtube encodes videos and unless it's in a resolution and fps it likes videos often get messed up. Like others have said you can render it at a more preferable fps (30 plz). Or you may be able to change it on your camera.
 
I think if he posted what export settings, and what program he's using we could help out a little more. Things like encoding, (h.264, avi, prores 422, wmv etc) can make a huge difference. Sometimes you may be putting it in the wrong dimensions, or even have de-interlace enabled, which if you're using an a 600D, you shouldn't use.

If OP could respond with what program he's using, might be able to help out a little bit more.
 
Hey sorry for the delay in replying lads! Ive been crazy busy! Id really like to get my footage coming out decently at 24/25/30fps as I just dont like the way 60fps looks for Vlogs.
Im having my suspicions that maybe the bit rate may be partyl to blame here too!
Im editing on adobe premiere (cs5) I used to always just hit the "Match sequence settings" box aswell as maximum quality but I do tend to fiddle about with it a lot too. I just cant nail down where I seem to be going wrong :/
 
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